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what would to context be??
12:46 AM
the*
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berockly (TTG) 3/25/2023 12:46 AM
Are there more doors or wheels (sorry lmao)
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/25/2023 12:47 AM
i mean what you would talk about, and if you would be able to hold on a dialogue with yourself for more than 10 seconds
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id probably blab on about school
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/25/2023 12:48 AM
so one you would be blabbing about school and the other you would be "aha" "aha" "and then what?" ? or something more going on there
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try to do it in your head and see how it goes
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but don't consider it tulpamancy, just to see how it works if it's you and you, no parroting, nothing
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/25/2023 12:59 AM
how did it go? 😅
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it was okay!
1:04 AM
sorry my replys are late
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
how did it go? 😅
weirdly smoother than talking to my tulpa
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Is it normal that i don't hear my tulpa all the time? I only really hear him sometimes, or if i'm thinking about him
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Kei Wendt
Is it normal that i don't hear my tulpa all the time? I only really hear him sometimes, or if i'm thinking about him
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:41 PM
If you directly speak to them do they answer?
11:42 PM
I just mean that i don't hear a constant stream of his thoughts alongside mine I just get him popping in every once in a while
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:42 PM
Yes, thats completely normal
11:43 PM
If you constantly heard their thoughts that would be complete madness
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Ah ok I was wondering if it was more like two streams of thought at once but Yeah
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:43 PM
Try switching, then most thoughts would be them and you would pop once in a while
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You will never have 2 streams "at once"
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Its either one or another
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Ah ok
11:44 PM
I haven't started learning switching yet I want to focus on imposition first
11:45 PM
Is there any good way to learn switching though? Luminesce said not to use guides from before 2016 because they're outdated but all the approved guides are from before that i think
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:47 PM
I woudnt learn imposition
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switching is extremely easy
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just be them
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switching feels like you become them
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thats all you need to know
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Oh ok
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
I woudnt learn imposition
Why not?
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Kei Wendt
Why not?
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:49 PM
Imposition likely actually requires effort
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and the reward is nothing
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i can imagine in much more detail
11:51 PM
I can actually do some low level "imposition" and see blurry shapes in a uniform wall. But i dont see (not as in sight but as in expectation) those becoming actual things on the real world... (edited)
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/25/2023 11:52 PM
imagine having tulpa with you all the time and not being able to run away 😳
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
imagine having tulpa with you all the time and not being able to run away 😳
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:52 PM
Thats my life 😭
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Well, the benefit of imposition from my perspective would be that he can project himself onto the real world while i'm still fronting I've been able to sense him walking behind me, and sense him sitting next to me so far
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Kei Wendt
Well, the benefit of imposition from my perspective would be that he can project himself onto the real world while i'm still fronting I've been able to sense him walking behind me, and sense him sitting next to me so far
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:53 PM
You can just imagine them arround you.
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Isn't that imposition?
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:53 PM
Nope, imposition is suposed to let you "actually see them"
11:54 PM
imagine there is an apple on your desk. look at it. Surely you can imagine it unless you have aphantasia.
11:54 PM
You just visualize+presence-imagine.
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
Nope, imposition is suposed to let you "actually see them"
Oh so like seeing/sensing them without using the "imagination" part of your brain
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:55 PM
Like visualizing in wonderland.
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Kei Wendt
Oh so like seeing/sensing them without using the "imagination" part of your brain
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:55 PM
Imposition is supposed to be a controlled hallucination. Like an actual hallucination.
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Ah Arent the first steps to that imagining them though
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:56 PM
No idea, i havent read guides...
11:56 PM
I tend to train stuff on my own style...
11:57 PM
In fact, katie was created by imagining them arround me.
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Kei Wendt
Oh so like seeing/sensing them without using the "imagination" part of your brain
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:57 PM
Can you imagine the apple on your desk?
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/25/2023 11:57 PM
Then you can do the same with your tulpa i supose
11:58 PM
Just imagine them standing there and walking or doing something.
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Ah. I mean, i don't mind learning imposition It seems interesting But in your opinion i shouldn't focus on it?
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/26/2023 12:00 AM
You can if you so desire, you are the one that should choose as you know your priorities and desires. I just meant that i dont see imposition being that interesting as overlay imagination works for me just as nicely and switching would be much easier to learn probably.
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Ah ok
12:00 AM
Should i learn possession before i learn switching?
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/26/2023 12:00 AM
Nah, dont even think of those as different things
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too many words people like to use
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keep it simple
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just let your tulpa take your body and do something
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/26/2023 12:01 AM
it's not a video game, it's not a talent tree where you have to level up your skills before you unlock another one 😅
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
just let your tulpa take your body and do something
Luminesce warned that if you treat them as the same thing it can be hard to actually learn switching though
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/26/2023 12:01 AM
just learn whatever you would like
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Kei Wendt
Luminesce warned that if you treat them as the same thing it can be hard to actually learn switching though
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/26/2023 12:02 AM
How do you describe possession and how do you describe switching?
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
it's not a video game, it's not a talent tree where you have to level up your skills before you unlock another one 😅
I know I was just wondering if it was some sorta prerequisite since the guide thread says "taking possession one step further" for the section on switching
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/26/2023 12:02 AM
people do learn switching without learning possession
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/26/2023 12:03 AM
The way i learnt switching was the following: Katie wanted to get something to eat, they took over, went to the kitchen, took it and came back. Felt completely natural, i wasnt even impressed and i didnt even know that it was switching.
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
How do you describe possession and how do you describe switching?
I would describe possession as letting the tulpa move my body without taking over full control, and me still having the most awareness But then switching as the tulpa taking over my body and being the primary stream of thoughts
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/26/2023 12:03 AM
If i knew it was switching and that people say its soo complicated and stuff i would probably have doubted and said, nah, i cant switch
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Kei Wendt
I would describe possession as letting the tulpa move my body without taking over full control, and me still having the most awareness But then switching as the tulpa taking over my body and being the primary stream of thoughts
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/26/2023 12:04 AM
Dont describe it like that, describe it on "how it should feel", the words you are using are basically meaningless.
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Oh. I guess with possession i'd feel like i was letting go control of my body, but not stepping back in awareness And then with switching i'd feel like i was stepping back all the way
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/26/2023 12:05 AM
go out of "thinking" or "doing" mode and start operating in "being" mode and switching, possession and other stuff will be just obvious
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So I can switch right now without any effort, just by asking eishi to take control? Eishi won't be confused as to how to operate my body?
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/26/2023 12:06 AM
why would she
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all you have to do is to stay out of the way and she just controls the body
12:07 AM
you don't do anything
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Okay Uh There are people around But i guess i can try
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Kei Wendt
Oh. I guess with possession i'd feel like i was letting go control of my body, but not stepping back in awareness And then with switching i'd feel like i was stepping back all the way
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/26/2023 12:09 AM
Well, ill describe how i believe people see possession and how i see switching. Possession is like feeling like you loose control over your body and someone else is acting. And you are there looking. Switching is like you becomes the other and you feel like the other and see the world like the other with a constant stream of awareness.
12:09 AM
If "awareness went all the way back" you woudnt be able to remember i would say...
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/26/2023 12:10 AM
The thing is, it doesnt feel the same for everyone, so, if it works for you you shouldnt be comparing it to other peoples checklist and saying "well it is" or "its not" (edited)
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Just do it
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I feel like i should now...
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I think i'll go to my room
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/26/2023 12:11 AM
Try 🙂
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/26/2023 12:12 AM
or let your tulpa go to your room 😈
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True! Kei was nervous but I dunno if it worked? I feel... blended with Kei
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/26/2023 12:14 AM
By the way, it was you with the voice the other day wasnt it?
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Im glad switching worked
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See, is that easy
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I think it worked! I feel so happy... I can see everything!
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yaay
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/26/2023 12:15 AM
generally if someone needs to spend more than 40words to explain something to you it's overcomplicated
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By the way, it was you with the voice the other day wasnt it?
@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump You said to imagine a person with the right voice, right? And it worked!
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
generally if someone needs to spend more than 40words to explain something to you it's overcomplicated
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/26/2023 12:16 AM
Kitkats 40 word rule
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